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Tim Tebow decides to do the right thing for professional reasons (but reserves the right to do the wrong thing later when nobody is paying attention)

I was reading the Internets today and guess what? – our boy Timmy is back in the news.

New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow has decided to cancel his appearance at a Dallas church that is led by a pastor, Robert Jeffress, who has been criticized for his remarks about gays and other faiths.

Tebow sent out a series of tweets Thursday announcing his decision:

“While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ’s unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance. I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!”

Good for you, Tim. It’s great to hear that you’re genuinely committed to spreading Jesus’s message of love and acceptance, no matter what the circumstances are. Do the right thing, though the world may end. I’m proud of you. I think that….ummm, wait, hold on a second….he what? You’re kidding.

Jeffress told the Associated Press that Tebow told him he would like to speak at First Baptist at some point, but “he needed to avoid controversy right now for personal and professional reasons.”

So….you’ll go speak to the hatemongers as soon as everybody looks the other way for a second? The hell? Can somebody show me where it says in the Bible that you’re supposed to do good works for the Lord as long as it’s professionally expedient? (Hey, maybe this is what was going on with that whole “denied the Lord thrice” thing. I got your back, Jesus, but I got to look out for my family, hear what I’m saying?)

Let’s see if there’s anything else interesting in this article.

Jeffress said Thursday that First Baptist was being mischaracterized as a “hate church,” and that the church’s teachings were consistent with historic Christian beliefs.

Did I miss the part where hate and “historic Christian beliefs” (as interpreted by the likes of the Rev. Jeffress) are mutually exclusive?

“We had planned for him to speak very positively about the difference Jesus Christ had made in his life,” Jeffress said.

This would have been a great speech. If it weren’t for his very, very public displays of piety Tebow would never have played a down in the NFL. To paraphrase Chico Esquela, “Jebus been bery bery good to me.”

What else?

“There are a disproportionate amount of assaults against children by homosexuals than by heterosexuals, you can’t deny that,” Jeffress said in July.

Wait, what? Yes I can.

“And the reason is very clear: Homosexuality is perverse, it represents a degradation of a person’s mind and if a person will sink that low and there are no restraints from God’s law, then there is no telling to whatever sins he will commit as well.”

Which is why our history is so rife with gay serial killers, rapists, Lehman Brothers executives and superchurch pastors.

In a 2011 interview, Jeffress said that Islam and Mormonism were religions that are “heresy from the pit of hell,” and criticized the Roman Catholic Church as “the genius of Satan” and “corrupted” by cults.

And since this sounds like an intramural matter between the good reverend and his fellow Abrahamic religious conservatives, I’m just going to step back and leave it alone.

[Ahem]

We’ve been telling you what Tim Tebow was for a long time here at S&R: an opportunistic, hypocritical self-promoter who can’t play a lick. Between this and the fact that at present the NY Jets don’t want him anymore and can’t seem to find anyone else who does, either, the evidence continues to mount that we’ve been right all along.

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  1. First thing YOU need to do is read the Bible!!

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: Leviticus 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;) Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    When talking about heaven: Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    SO YOU may not believe there is a God OR what GOD’s Word states, BUT the Bible is NOT to be taken Lightly. HOMOSEXUALITY is a SIN that keeps one from Heaven… Whether YOU want it to be or not!!

    A Pastor teaching the “Flock” what the BIBLE and GOD has stated is NOT “Hate Speech”.

    As far as The Catholic Church is concerned… again YOU need to read the Bible… Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    The MOTHER OF Harlots is the CATHOLIC CHURCH and the HARLOTS are the Protestant Churches that have RECEIVED the “MARK OF THE BEAST” which is THE MARK of the Catholic Church: SUNday WORSHIP! GOD said to Worship Him on The Sabbath which is from Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset (the Seventh Day according to Genesis 2:1-3) AND the FOURTH Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Your Ignorance of what the Bible states is remarkable!! YOU really should read it!!

    • According to our new comment policy I really shouldn’t post your comment, being as it’s such a rabid collection of ignorance and hatred. But in this case I’m going to make an exception because I’d like to get your take one some other things the Bible says. For instance:

      “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)

      “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)

      “…and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.” (Leviticus 11:7)

      “But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:10)

      “They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.” (Leviticus 11:11)

      “Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:12)

      Given the last election, I also have wondered about the Bible’s stance on marriage, and I’m guessing you have some insights there, too. Galileo Unchained sums up some of my questions nicely, so let me just cut and paste. For example:

      King Solomon famously had 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Four of Jacobs 12 sons were from servants of his two wives, and Abraham’s first child was from his wife’s slave. Frankly, I’m unclear on the difference between wives and concubines, though one source emphasizes the similarity—concubines had similar privileges and their children had similar rights.

      So the Bible legitimates sex with and children from concubines.

      Rape. Courtship rituals vary by society, but here’s an unusual approach: “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her” (Deut. 22:28–9).

      So the Bible says that if you see a woman and don’t want to go through that whole getting-permission thing, you can rape and then marry her.

      Captured Women. “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (Num. 31:17–18 and see also Deut. 21:11) I don’t know what we’re talking about here—whether it’s wife, concubine, or sex slave.

      So the Bible says that capturing women (virgins only, please) is a reasonable way to get a bedmate. It doesn’t much matter whether the woman is on board with the project or not.

      Slave Marriage. Exodus 21:4 says that a male Jewish slave can be released, but any wife given to him by his master (and her children) remain the master’s property.

      So the Bible says that ownership trumps marriage.

      Levirate Marriage. Say a man is married but dies before he has any children. Who inherits his stuff? To solve this problem, the Bible demands that another brother must marry this sister-in-law, with the firstborn child considered the dead brother’s heir. The Bible does more than simply document a curious Jewish custom; God enforces it with the death penalty (Gen. 38:8–10).

      So the Bible says that getting children as heirs for a deceased brother is more important than having your own children.

      Polygamy. Abraham had two wives. Jacob had two (or four, depending on how you count them). Solomon had 700.

      God said to David, “I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.” (2 Sam. 12:8). God has his complaints about David, but polygamy isn’t one of them.

      So the Bible says that marriage is between a man and one or more women.

      By the way, our new policy is aimed at promoting thoughtful, good-faith discussion. If you decide not to participate further, I’ll have no choice but to delete your comment.

      • An interesting choice of Scripture. Since you want to have a Discussion, I am willing to discuss the issues you raise.

        Leviticus 25:44-45 The Slaves were sold by their OWN Countrymen, just like most African Slaves were sold by Africans. The issue was for the Jews in the Promised land NOT for us today. Having said that, Slavery is still practiced in Africa but NOT in Israel.

        Leviticus 19:27 The hasidic Jews still keep that scripture. From you photo you do not?, but then neither do I. Again, we have Choice and some of us make wrong choices.

        Leviticus 11:7 The Swine is still Unclean. NOT to be eaten. Same with the rest of the Unclean things in Leviticus 11. Given that you have CHOICE, you may choose to eat them if you will, but God’s prohibition still stands and since they are Bottom Scavengers, it still makes sense, or do you disagree??

        King Solomon famously had 300 concubines. YES, he did and look at the Trouble it got him into!! According to the Bible, which shows man’s foibles and flaws as well as the good in man, we are ONLY to have one wife (until death do us part). The fact that some men had Multiple wives and Concubines only indicate how we are Not following God’s intentions The Bible does NOT legitimize mans mistakes and sins, it only shows that man makes them. .

        Deut. 22:28–9: You use the term “Rape” which I do NOT find in my Bible (KJV). I read it as they had consensual sex which was NOT to have taken place as sex outside of marriage was forbidden. This made the Man responsible for the Sex he had AND said he had to marry the woman and keep her as his wife until Death.

        Num. 31:17–18. Put it into context… God told Moses what to do. IF you talk to God and He talks to you the way he did to Moses… do what he tells you to!! As for my understanding, that IS what happened THEN.

        In summary: As to my comments, being as it’s such a rabid collection of ignorance and hatred, I find that You have a Disagreement with God, and that is your Privilege. I believe that the Bible is an “Instruction Book” to mankind. IF you believe in God AS YOUR CREATOR and do Not believe in the “Big Bang” Theory AND Evolution, then you should follow what your creator says to do. IF you do NOT believe in God, My humble opinion is that when you come face to face with Him it will be to late for you. I TRY to live according to what the Bible and MY Faith tells me. I will NOT deny you your opinion, but I also do NOT want them forced down MY throat.

        Sort of Live and let live!

        A Pastor teaching the “Flock” what the BIBLE and GOD has stated is NOT “Hate Speech”, even if you do not agree with it.

        I do NOT judge you for your beliefs… they are between you and God. However, I have MY Beliefs and they come from the Bible.

        Further discussion is fine.

    • Maybe it’s not your job to save the rest of us from sin or make sure we get to go to heaven. If i understand this right, if we get to heaven, we’ll have to spend eternity with people like you. That’s enough to make me think about turning gay, just to be sure that i won’t have to go to heaven under any possible circumstances.

      And God didn’t state a damned thing in the Bible. Both the Torah and the New Testament were written down long after the fact. They’re both just books made up by people, books that have undergone numerous modifications, edits, and translations since their original writing. Good stories, no doubt, but nothing more. Until you can prove that God wrote those words i’m just not seeing the urgency to live by them.

      I don’t want to play your Bible quoting game unless we’re using Hebrew and Greek. The English Bible the Mother of Harlots and a false prophecy for the usurpers.

      Finally, if God has infinite power, why did he need to rest on the seventh day of creation. Seems like a fella like that wouldn’t need to rest.

  2. I wanted to join in here, but this really isn’t fun. Bible literalists have to go to such incredible contortions to try to impose coherency on an inherently incoherent document, that you can’t have an argument with them. Their minds are Escher drawings, interesting constructs not possible in the real world. In response to pointing out that the Bible condoned slavery, which is undeniably true, they answer things like but “Africans had slaves!” It would be funny were it not troubling.

    My strong sense, from this thread, is that bachelorwithsense is particularly troubled, and is perhaps mentally or psychologically disabled. Pointing out his foolishness is funny, but cruel.

    As you know, I don’t mind ripping into stupid people (Palin, Tebow, et al,) but this time I have to bow out. This guy is just too messed up to mess with. It’s like torturing a dog. What makes it especially poignant is that this fellow is a “bachelor” and so anti-gay. Might be some denial involved here.

    So, bachelorwithsense, I take your point. All the best. Good luck, man. Hope things work out for you.

  3. @ bachelorwithsense: I realize that you will probably object to a woman speaking about religion, but it seems that you are taking liberties with your interpretations and proclaiming them to be literal truth, just as all religions take liberties with with sacred writings. The King James Version (AKA the Authorized Version), was a product of one of what you call the “harlot” churches. Its sponsor? A bisexual monarch whose parents were were Catholic. Please don’t claim understanding and knowledge that you don’t have. Rather than just reading your KJV, read about it.

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