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Tournament of Rock – Legends: the Black Sabbath/Ozzy pod

Results: Another upset? No big surprise there. Sonic Youth outpacing Warren Zevon? Didn’t see that coming. In any case, The Kinks establish an early lead and maintain it throughout for a close but comfortable win. The numbers: The Kinks 33%; Sonic Youth 22%; #10 Warren Zevon 19%; James Taylor 14%; The Replacements 8%; Jackson Browne 3%. The Kinks advance to the Great 48.

Our search for the greatest band of all time now turneth toward high country, wherein lies the Red Rocks region and the land of demonic metal seeds. Let this band of hale questers beware the Evil® that is … Sabbath!

Note: The Beatles are entered as a group, so voters are encouraged to evaluate John Lennon on his solo career only.

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15 replies »

  1. There’s no contest here. Let’s just compare anti-war anthems: Imagine is a trite pile of shlock in comparison to War Pigs.

  2. First you make me vote against Joy Division, now you make me vote against New Order? I love Billy Idol and Bad Company, but I’m going to have to go with Black Sabbath on this one. John Lennon’s solo work was too erratic.

  3. Went with John Lennon. His death remains the saddest of my life — family members included. I don’t mean to suggest my vote was out of nostalgia or sympathy. His solo work, however erratic, was, at times, too powerful to overlook.

  4. Although “Imagine” is considered one of the greatest songs ever, Lennon’s solo career is so-so.

    At first I jumped for the Sabbath Button, but I think I need to mention the importance of RATM first. They are basically responsible for countless rap/rock bands that followed (which may make you vote against them right there) and Tom’s guitar work is innovative and just fun to listen to. The rhythm section is very tight and their lyrics actually have meaning. On a side note I saw these guys open for Cypress Hill when their first major CD came out. To this day it is THE BEST concert I’ve ever been a part of. I went in not knowing who they were, and left a lifelong fan. I’ve never seen so much energy at a show from a band and the audience. I could chalk this up as a religious experience.

    That being said I think I need to go with Sabbath here based on their Ozzy only stuff. They are just way too big of an influence on hard rock.

    • You know, as much as I think “Imagine” is OK, it strikes me as folk music, not rock & roll. And while I’m not a fan of the Beatles, I can still acknowledge that they were rock & roll writ large – Lennon, post The Beatles, never struck me as anything special.

      I strongly prefer the music of John Lennon’s son, Julian, to that of his father’s solo career.

  5. Black Sabbath, along with Deep Purple, pretty much decided that heavy metal was going to be a genre of music. They might not have seen it that way when they were doing it, but the result is the same. Rage, as good as they were (and influential), cannot compare to Black Sabbath…

    I would also like to add that Zack de la Rocha never, ever, EVER booted a line of ants off a pool deck in Florida.

    Ozzy did.

  6. It’s fun to A/B compare McCartney and Lennons’ solo careers. The former’s work is very even … and also very disposable.

    Lennon didn’t need to challenge listeners. He had nothing to gain, but I suppose he had nothing to lose either. Both had the freedom to step away from the Beatles and try something new. It’s a shame McCartney didn’t seize the opportunity.

    Lennon could have continued working with George Martin and gotten the continued benefit of lush string arrangements and that signature Beatles sound, as McCartney did. Choosing not to do so, his tracks often sounded spare and less polished, but they also sounded more intimate and vulnerable.

    McCartney made records his grandmother would have liked, but Lennon’s records always seemed as if they were made for you. Much of it was too experimental to call rock, but much of his last album was pure rock in the most classic sense. I really would have liked to have heard the next one.

  7. I think that in another pod, RATM would be doing much better. But the crowd likely to vote for them probably can’t do it over Sabbath.

  8. I voted for John Lennon.

    fikshun’s take on Lennon is note perfect – though I wish to hell he’d accept that McCartney’s perceived weakness as an artist is that he’s a happy person (for the most part) and let it go.

    Sabbath is – well, Sabbath – I understand why they’re leading the voting.

    But it’s a shame that both Lennon and McCartney are being discounted.

    Especially John who took more artistic chances over his career than anyone in this tourney except for Dylan.

    Bad Company and Billy Idol don’t even deserve mention – but I’ve now mentioned them – which is more than they deserve.

    New Order is Joy Division without its genius.

    Rage, like Sonic Youth, is more about noise than light. I do give Rage props for having a political conscience.

  9. It’s nice to vote for the winner for once, though it feels like I’m voting for them only by default.
    Also, comparing Sonic Youth to Rage Against the Machine is like comparing Mozart to the guy who composed the Big Mac theme-song. (Also, that’s hyperbole.)

  10. I voted for Black Sabbath, even though I’m a lifelong devotee of Lennon. Among their many black gems, Sabbath cut IMHO perhaps the greatest three minutes of metal ever, namely “The Mob Rules.”